Friday, September 26, 2008

Disappointing News

According to a new SurveyUSA poll, approximately 49% of Californians oppose Proposition 8, while 44% support it. That is much less that the 17 point gap shown in recent Field and PPIC polls. My guess is that this SurveyUSA poll is probably closer to reality than those other two polls.

Which means...MORE WORK! If you're local, join me on Wednesday night, October 1 for an evening of phone banking to identify undecided California voters. 6:30 to 9:30 at the Spectrum Center, 1000 Sir Francis Drake Boulevard, San Anselmo, #10. Be there!


Nate and Jessica said...

who are you and how exactly did you find my blog??

Tom said...

Who I am is pretty clear.

As to finding your blog, you can thank Google for that.

Nate and Jessica said...

Did you sit online all day looking for people who are encouraging others to vote yes on Prop 8?

Tom said...

I spend several hours each day exploring the blogosphere, countering the mis-information I find there. I also write letters to the editor and op-ed pieces on this issue. In addition, I spend many hours a week working as a volunteer for the No on 8 campaign.

Nate and Jessica said...

Teaching children that homosexuality is legal is in fact telling them that it is right and it is normal. Why should my children be learning about homosexuality when they aren't even old enough to know about sex, let alone men loving men and women loving women. What I said wasn't mis-information, it was an opinion that I have every right to express on my own blog without some strange and sad man commenting on it out of anger because he will lose the right to marry his lover.

Tom said...

Well, let's start with "strange" and "sad." I'm neither, actually. I suppose I'm somewhat eccentric (we creative types often are), but I don't think I can be classified as "strange." And certainly not "sad."

As far as what you teach your kids, they don't have to know about sex to know about marriage. I certainly knew what a marriage was WELL before I knew anything about sex.

In terms of your kids seeing same-sex couples getting married, it should be pretty easy for you to handle. Try something like: "Mommy and Daddy believe very strongly that only a man and a woman should be able to get married. That's the way it is in our church, too. But not everyone believes the same way we do. Some people don't get married in a church. Even people who DO get married in church have to have a civil marriage license. That's a piece of paper that is issued by the state that says it's OK to be married. Almost every man who marries, marries a woman. But some men fall in love with another man, and some women fall in love with another woman. We think that's wrong, but the law says it's OK for them to marry. There are lots of laws that your daddy and I disagree with, but because we are good citizens, we follow all the laws, even the ones we don't agree with."

See how that works for you.

Nate and Jessica said...

Or how about I just vote Yes on Prop 8 and when it passes I won't have to have a discussion like that with my children until they are ready to hear it.

Tom said...

That might work. But not according to most pollsters. Though I think the polls are a bit misleading, I think it's unlikely they are that far off, so I'm relatively confident that Prop 8 will be defeated.

Regardless, though, your children will be in school with gay kids, they will end up working with gay people -- in fact, they might even be gay themselves!

All my best to you and your family.

Nate and Jessica said...

They very well might make the decision to be gay, but that is a private matter, not something that should be taught in elementary school.

Nate and Jessica said...

And, polls are often misleading. The percentage of people who are for prop 8 is going up. Californians voted against gay marriage in 2000 and we have a great chance to do it again.

Tom said...

"They very well might make the decision to be gay"

In the same way they might make the "decision" to be left-handed.

"The percentage of people who are for prop 8 is going up."

Not according to the Field Poll, which is usually the most accurate.

Nate and Jessica said...

You know, the thing that bothers me isn't that you are against prop 8. Every one is entitled to their own opinion. My issue with you is that you spend hours online checking the blogoshpere for anyone who's opinion differs from yours and you look to correct them. I stated my opinion on my own blog that I use to communicate with family and friends. I don't publish articles in magazines or newspapers. I don't write books. I write what I'm thinking on my blog and hope that my friends will read it. Then one day some stranger looks at my blog and tries to correct my thoughts. Who the hell do you think you are? You have no business commenting on my blog and trying to correct my opinion. You also have absolutely no reason to be giving me advice on how to teach my children. I'm sure you don't have children so you wouldn't understand what it's like to spend every minute of the day worrying about how the things in the world are going to affect your children. Here's some advice for you. Mind your own business, and go do something that matters.

Tom said...

Wow. And here I thought I was supposed to be the sad, angry one.

If you want a private blog, you can do that. If you don't want comments, or you want to approve them before they get posted, you can do that, too.

I post on blogs to connect with people and spread what I believe is an important truth -- that equality matters. Did you serve a mission, Nate? Did you have people slam the door in your face, or raise their voice in anger at your intrusion on their privacy? I get angry comments, sure. But I also get comments from people who have changed their mind on Proposition 8, partly because of points I made.

That's why I comment on blogs. If only one person reads a comment of mine and decides to vote "no" because of it, I've done a good thing.

But as you will note, we have had this conversation entirely on MY blog. Where you and your opinions -- respectfully submitted -- are welcomed.

BTW, I know EXACTLY what being a father means.

Nate and Jessica said...

Well Tom, clearly you are right about everything. That's the thing about liberals, they always have to be right and they ALWAYS have get the last word in. You're not communicating with Nate, you are communicating with his wife. I'm not a sad angry woman, I am actually a sweet woman who loves to serve people and who devotes all her time and energy to taking care of her two beautiful little boys. I'm a stay at home mom and I spend my days teaching my sons valuable lessons and watching them grow. My blog is generally used to display the wonderful things going on in my family. You would know that if you read past the simple things I said on prop 8. I didn't say anything mean or disrespectful, I was simply stating my opinion. So, go on with the things that you do. If prop 8 passes, have a celebration! Continue on your journey to remove values in America!! As for my blog, I respectfully ask you to not look at it again. And as I have absolutely no reason to look at you blog, I won't be looking at yours again. You definitely won't be changing my mind on prop 8. The only thing you've accomplished is making me more determined to get the word out on prop 8.